Caleb Leisure returns to minimo for an exciting winemaker tasting! One of our most original and independent-minded winemakers, Caleb is probably the only California producer who ferments and ages his wines primarily in Georgian qvevri, the huge clay vessels that define the world’s most ancient wine culture. 

Caleb’s in town (all the way from Cloverdale) in conjunction with Wine From Here, a fair that’s quickly becoming a premier showcase for American natural winemakers. Hosted by Subject to Change Wine Co. & Stagiaire Wine, Wine From Here takes place in Richmond on April 14th. 

Featuring:
Mother Sees 2022 ~ Viognier, Marsanne, Roussanne, 2-day maceration
Ab Ovo 2022 ~ Mourvedre, Marsanne, co-ferment, 6-day maceration
Other Hand 2021 ~ Cabernet Sauvignon, Merlot, Cabernet Franc, Petit Verdot  

Saturday, April 13th, 2-5pm
Flight of 3 wines $16
Wines also available by the glass, bottle, and for purchase.

Queer & Casual launches at minimo in April! On the first Sunday of every month, come spend the afternoon at minimo with queer community–featuring a DJ spinning chill tunes, rotating food pop-ups, and natural wines by the glass from queer winemakers! Queer & Casual debuts Sunday, April 7th, 2-5pm, with DJ Analogue Angles and food from Bites By Jane. Free admission, with beverages and food for purchase. 21+ only, for queers and their friends. 

Aaron and Cara Mockrish of Frenchtown Farms are coming to minimo for the first time! Dedicated farmers and talented winemakers, they’ll pour their wines from the beautiful & challenging terrain of North Yuba high in the Sierra Foothills. These wines are highly sought after, and there’s never enough to go around, so don’t miss it.

Joining us for this event will be Chef Eder Ramirez of Provecho. We’re thrilled to welcome back his pop-up of delicious, seasonal Oaxaca-inspired bites!

Flight of 3 wines $16
Wines also available by the glass, bottle, and for purchase.
Provecho food available for purchase separately.

Join Tosha Stimage of Saint Flora at minimo on Tuesday, February 13th, 5:30-7:00pm, for a special Valentine’s Day flower arranging workshop. Learn to make an arrangement that will wow your sweetheart--or attend the class together! There will be cookies from Sesame A Tiny Bakery, and we'll have wines by the glass available for purchase. Limited spaces available--sign up here!

Astranda Bakery returns for a pop-up! Insanely delicious cinnamon rolls and other baked goodies from former Tartine baker Eric Chow. Menu and pre-orders will be announced this week (and some items will also be for sale to walk-ups, until sold out). Follow @astrandabakery on Instagram. We'll have a special menu of mimosas (with pét-nat of course) along with other low & non-alcoholic options!

ABV ferments Is a nonprofit events + educational platform, and host of the traveling wine summit ‘Anything but Vinifera’ where artisans, land stewards, and local communities gather to share resources around hybrid grapes, native agriculture, regional fruit, and solidarity economics. minimo is hosting their fourth summit, which is almost sold out (!), but don't worry--we’ve organized 3 trailblazing winemakers for a special tasting that's open to the public. It's a great opportunity to learn about and try ‘anything but vinifera’ wines!

Learn more about ABV ferments from this fantastic article written by Sydney Love, a brilliant wine writer whom we’re grateful to count among the minimo team!

Featuring:
The 280 Project
American Wine Project

Many of you have admired the gorgeous floral arrangements by Saint Flora that welcome you at minimo. Now’s your chance to learn some of that magic from Tosha Stimage, the artist herself! We’re teaming up with Tosha for a Holiday Centerpiece Workshop at minimo on December 10th from 11:00-12:30. You’ll learn to make a creative holiday centerpiece guided by Tosha’s unique design approach, while enjoying a flight of natural sparkling wines curated by minimo. At the end, you’ll take home a stunning arrangement of your own!

$125/person
Includes all floral supplies and a flight of 3 sparkling wines
Just 12 spots available–sign up here!

Cinnamon rolls and natty mimosas?!? minimo welcomes Astranda Bakery for a pop-up Saturday, Dec. 2, 10:30 - 1:30. This project by former Tartine baker Eric Chow has evolved from a “pandemic pivot” to a major Bay Area phenomenon. Astranda’s legendary cinnamon rolls with coffee-laced frosting are on the menu, along with other baked goodies. We’re so excited about this collaboration, we’re opening minimo early for it! We’ll make the mimosas (with pét-nat of course) along with other low & non-alcoholic options. And while you’re in the neighborhood, check out the Oakland Vintage Market at 3rd & Clay!

Local winemaker Terah Bajjalieh returns to minimo, for a special evening of wine, food, and networking! Terah will pour a flight of new releases, and she’ll also share information about her role as a mentee liaison in the Bâtonnage Mentorship Program. (Women in wine, this is a great opportunity to come learn more about the program! And Bâtonnage mentees, come and meet one another!) We’re also excited to welcome back Chef Eder Ramirez of Provecho, with a menu of his irresistible Oaxaca-inspired bites.

Terah grew up in California, but discovered her love for food & wine through travels abroad. She earned a master’s degree in Enology and Viticulture from Montpellier Supagro in France, is a Certified Sommelier, and has worked harvests in five different countries. She launched Terah Wine Co., in 2020, making small-production natural wines that showcase unique vineyard sites and varieties. Her wines are beautiful and serious. They’re also ideal for Thanksgiving, so you might want to take home a few bottles for the holiday!

Flight of 3 wines, $16, featuring:

2022 Sparkling Wine
Sparkling blend of Chardonnay, Pinot Noir from Santa Clara Valley, and Old Vine Muscat from the Enz Vineyard in San Benito–the oldest muscat vines in the state at 106 years old!

2022 Falanghina
Falanghina with 12 days of skin contact, from the unique Lost Slough Vineyard in Clarksburg

2022 Barbera
Barbera from Shake Ridge Ranch, farmed by legend Anne Kraemer in Amador County.

Flight wines available by the glass, bottle, and for purchase.

Provecho food available for purchase separately.

21+ only
Wine club members get 20% off flights

We love Oakland. As a small business that just celebrated our 8th year, we can attest that this year has been particularly challenging. There’s been a lot of negative press about our city, news of beloved businesses closing, and countless stories on social media about the impact of crime. But there’s so much to love about this city, and so many independent businesses that really need support right now.

In this spirit, we’re holding an Oakland Positivity Party on Sunday from 1-3pm that is really a Call to Action: our goal is to gather together and write posts for social media that cast a positive light on Oakland. Let’s flood Nextdoor and X with positivity about good experiences in Oakland, or post on Facebook or Instagram about your favorite places to drink, dine, or shop locally. Share your favorite destinations among our beautiful parks and neighborhoods; give a shout-out to a recent discovery or a long-standing establishment that makes you love living here. Not on social media? Write a letter to the editor of the SF Chronicle.

Bring your own device. We’ll provide the free snacks! We’ll have our usual weekend tasting flight available, as well as wines by the glass and non-alcoholic beverage options. 

Orange wine lovers, rejoice! Jean-Michel Morel of KABAJ will be at minimo on Friday, pouring a flight of his wines! KABAJ is located in the Goriška Brda region of Slovenia, at the foothills of the Alps, adjacent to northeastern Italy and close to the Adriatic sea. In this unique location, Jean-Michel and his wife make stunning wines. Jean-Michel was born in Paris and trained as an enologist in Bordeaux before he fell in love with Katja Kabaj. When they married, he took over the farming and winemaking on her family’s historic property, and raised the Kabaj winery’s elegant skin-contact wines to world renown. Meet the winemaker and taste 3 exceptional wines spanning a decade.

Featuring:
San Lurinz Hydra Pét-Nat 2021 ~ sparkling skin contact Malvazija
Rebula 2018 ~ Rebula (aka Ribolla Gialla) with 30 days skin contact
Luisa 2013 ~ Blend of Rebula, Tocai Friulano, and Pinot Blanc with 30 days skin contact 

Friday, November 10th, 5-7pm
Flight of 3 wines $16
Wines also available by the glass, bottle, and for purchase.

It’s that time of the year–minimo turns 8! Join us November 4th as we celebrate with extra special wines, Italian bites, and all of you! If you’re new to the format of our anniversary party, you’re in for a treat. We’ll offer a rotating selection of ultra-limited wines by the glass – rare gems we’ve been saving up all year for this occasion. We open just a few bottles of each, so the menu will change throughout the day. We’ll also have mini-Italian sandwiches from Alimentari Aurora, antipasti from Love & Garlic, and cupcakes from Angel Cakes. Whether you’ve been a minimo fan for years, or have recently discovered us, we’re immensely grateful for your support and enthusiasm. Community is at the heart of what we do – our love and thanks to you for being part of it.

$20 per person -- includes your first drink ticket & food.
Extra drink tickets will be available for purchase.
Retail shop will be open 12 - 8pm as usual.

21+ only
No reservations. Just walk in!

Join us for an extra special winemaker tasting PLUS the return of Casa de Kei! Louis-Antoine Luyt is a French, Burgundy-trained winemaker who has played a huge role in fostering a terroir-driven natural wine scene in Chile. When living in Chile years ago, he realized the ancient vines tended by independent farmers were typically undervalued (so the fruit was sold off in bulk), or used for personal winemaking. Working with these farmers, Luyt created new value for their fruit by introducing their “pipeño” wines to the international market. “Pipeño” is the Chilean term for rustic, light, peasant-style wines. Each bottling features a different farmer and site. We’ll feature a skin contact Pipeño, plus wines from two other Luyt projects in Chile: a light red of País, and a chilled red blend of Carmenere, Pinot Noir, Pais & Merlot. We’re thrilled to welcome Louis-Antoine to the shop for the first time on Thursday, October 19th, 5-7pm! Pair your tasting with delicious food: Keisuke Akabori will be popping up with the exceptionally creative dishes of Casa de Kei. Stay tuned for a menu!

Featuring:
Pipeño Blanco Carrizal 2022
El Mismo País 2022
Cici y Amoroso 2022

Thursday, October 19th, 5-7pm
Flight $16
Wine Club Members get 20% off tastings.

Oaxacan-inspired bites plus the hottest natural wines from New Zealand?!?! Join us for a special food and wine event on Sunday, October 8th, 1-4pm: we welcome Provecho back to minimo for a pop-up, alongside a selection of wines from Kindeli!

If you haven't yet tasted Chef Eder Ramirez's amazing grilled specialties, inspired by the flavors of Oaxaca while utilizing local produce and ingredients, you're in for a treat. We'll offer a flight of wines (also available by the glass and bottle) from Alex Craighead's Kindeli label--some of the best (and wildest) New Zealand natural wines we’ve encountered. (Recognize them by the gorgeous label art featuring foxes--once you know, you know.)

Faith Armstrong has a long history with minimo. We poured her Malvasia Bianca Pét-Nat at our opening party in 2015, and hosted her for a winemaker event in 2017. We’re excited to welcome Faith back to minimo for a winemaker tasting on Saturday, September 23rd, from 1-4pm.

Faith grew up on a small island in British Columbia, and Onward is named for the trusty little boat that she traveled to school in. She launched her label in 2009, with a natural approach to winemaking that honors the history and authenticity of the grape and the vineyard site. Sourcing fruit primarily from Mendocino, Suisun Valley, and Contra Costa, Onward focuses on single vineyard, site-driven wines. Faith recently launched a second series (with label art by friends & family) that focuses on fun, fresh, lighthearted wines. She’ll pour a selection from both labels!

Featuring:
Malvasia Bianca Pétillant Naturel, Capp Inn Ranch 2022
Bouquet Rouge, Sunset Blend, Art Label Series 2022
Carignane, Hawkeye Ranch 2021

Saturday, September 23rd, 1-4pm
Flight $16
Wine Club Members get 20% off tastings.

Jehan Hakimian is one-half of the duo behind Los Chuchaquis, whose wines are made at Stirm Wine Co. near Santa Cruz. While Ryan Stirm is the head winemaker for both labels, Jehan is the resident “all things,” assisting with harvest & winemaking, and handling national sales. Plus, he makes a killer paella!

Join us on Friday, September 15th, 5-7pm! Jehan will cook his legendary paella on-site (a chicken + veggies version) while we serve up a tasting flight from both labels. Los Chuchaquis is the more experimental line for unusual fruit sources and winemaking styles, while Stirm wines are single-vineyard varietal wines that express some of the most intriguing terroirs of central and northern California. The flight will be available with or without the paella add-on.

Flight of 3 Wines + Paella $25 ($15 for flight without paella)
Wine also available by the glass

Friday, September 15th, 5-7pm
Wine Club Members get 20% off tastings.

We’re big fans of wines from Central and Eastern Europe, in large part due to the stellar wines imported by Danch & Granger. Co-owner Eric Danch is a fount of knowledge, and his passion for these off-the-beaten-path wines is utterly infectious. His humor, wit, and wild stories about navigating the challenges of bringing these wines to the U.S. are unmatched. On Friday, August 18th, Eric will be at minimo from 5-7pm, preparing a traditional Hungarian stew called Lecsó, which features peppers, tomatoes, paprika and kolbasz (Hungarian sausage), topped with sour cream. We’ll serve up a flight of his Central European wines alongside it!

Flight of Central European Wines + Lecsó stew $18
Wine also available by the glass

Friday, August 18th, 5-7pm
Wine Club Members get 20% off tastings.

Oaxacan-inspired bites plus the hottest natural wines from Mexico?!?! Join us for a special food and wine event on Sunday, July 23rd, 1-4pm: we welcome Provecho back to minimo for a pop-up, alongside a selection of wines from Bichi!

If you haven't yet tasted Chef Eder Ramirez's amazing grilled specialties, inspired by the flavors of Oaxaca while utilizing local produce and ingredients, you're in for a treat. We'll offer a flight of wines (also available by the glass and bottle) from Bichi, credited for kick-starting Mexico's natural wine movement. 

Flight of 3 wines, $16, featuring:

Listán Uruapan 2020
Dry farmed 100-year-old Misión (Listan Prieto) vines from the mountains of Tecate.

Mistico 2019 (magnum)
A blend of Dolcetto, Cabernet Sauvignon, Cabernet Franc, Tempranillo, Malbec & Nebbiolo from a vineyard in Valle de Guadalupe near the Pacific Ocean & the Bichi home vineyard in Tecate.

Gordo Guapo 2021
Grenache from 80-year-old vines in the Valle de Guadalupe.

Flight wines available by the glass, bottle, and for purchase.

We’ll also pour a limited amount of Pet Mex (by the glass only), Bichi’s ever-popular sparkling rosé made from a mysterious, unidentified grape variety.

Provecho food available for purchase separately.

21+ only
Wine club members get 20% off flights

We’re celebrating June Pride with a winemaker takeover featuring 3 fabulous East Bay winemakers! On Saturday, June 17th, 1-4pm, come taste new releases from Akari Yamamura of Yamachan Wine, Cary Quintana of Cary Q Wines, and Megan Hughes of Loella Wine. All of them make exciting, small-production natural wines and we’re thrilled to bring them together. Bites by Jane returns with a pop-up of delectable small bites to accompany the tasting!

East Bay winemaker Kristie Tacey has a background in microbiology–she even worked on the Human Genome Project. Yet she discovered winemaking was her true calling, and in 2009 she launched Tessier, which reflects her passion for the art and science of winemaking. Influenced by the Loire Valley and Burgundy, her minimal intervention wines express a purity of fruit balanced with fresh acidity. She’s also a music lover, so each of her wines is paired with a song to convey its personality and create an experience. (You can hear her on KXSF community radio, where she’s a part of the Supper Sessions collective.) Join us for a winemaker tasting with Kristie on Thursday, June 8th, from 5-7pm. She’ll pour a flight of new releases, which will also be available by the glass. And of course, she’s put together a playlist of tunes for the occasion!

Featuring:
Electric Ladyland 2022
Femme Fatale Rosé 2022
Soul Love 2022

Thursday, June 8th, 5:00-7:00pm
Flight $15
Wine Club Members get 20% off tastings.

This event takes place in conjunction with WineFare, a natural wine fair celebrating women in wine on Saturday, June 10th, at the Haight Street Art Center in San Francisco. Organized by the Vinguard, the event features 58 women-run natural wineries and importers pouring their wines. Tickets available @winefaresf

Many of you are familiar with the wines of Jolie-Laide, but you may not realize that familiarity is a rare treat! Jolie-Laide is a vanguard producer of California’s minimal-intervention wine movement, with a name that translates to “beautiful-ugly,” or unconventionally beautiful, reflecting the obscure varieties Scott and Jenny Schultz work with and the beauty they coax from them. With limited releases twice a year, these wines are tightly allocated and we are lucky to carry them–and to share them with you. We’ve waited years to host a winemaker tasting with Scott and Jenny at minimo, and now it’s finally happening! They’ll pour a flight of 3 new spring releases, and you don’t want to miss it.

Featuring:
Melon de Bourgogne 2022
Pinot Gris 2022
Gamay Noir 2022

Sunday, May 21st, 1:00-4:00pm
Flight $16
Wine Club Members get 20% off tastings.

In conjunction with the tasting, Provecho returns to minimo for a pop-up! Chef Eder Ramirez serves up Oaxacan-inspired delights with local produce and ingredients.

Join us for a special winemaker tasting with Laura Brennan Bissell of Inconnu. Once again, we’re uniting to raise money for Oakland-based organization MISSSEY, which works to prevent girls & gender-expansive youth from entering circumstances of sexual exploitation and violence.

Laura was a prominent fixture in the Bay Area wine scene when she launched her label Inconnu, quickly garnering acclaim and fanfare. She’s now based in Washington’s Columbia Gorge AVA where she is farming her own vineyard according to regenerative practices, while continuing to work with organic and regeneratively farmed parcels in California. Her wines strike a beautiful balance of pure fruit and vibrant acidity. Check out this New York Times article about Laura and her wines.

Laura will pour a flight of 3 wines for $17, which will also be available by the glass.

100% of net proceeds from the tasting and glass purchases will be donated to MISSSEY.

Tony Coturri has been making California natural wines for 59 years. If you ask Tony “why make natural wine?” he’ll just tell you that’s how his family always did it. In 1901 his grandfather Enrico immigrated to San Francisco, where he worked as a cooper. He taught the traditional winemaking techniques of his Italian village to his son Harry “Red,” who in turn taught them to his sons Phil and Tony. On Sonoma Mountain, Tony carried on the tradition for decades, farming and sourcing organically grown fruit and making wine without cultured yeast, additives, or SO2 at any stage. His wines are unapologetically bold California reds that evoke the old world. They’re pure and rustic, yet structured and age-worthy. By sharing winery space and wisdom, Tony has also helped numerous natural winemakers get their start, including minimo favorites Ashanta, Caleb Leisure, Absentee Winery, and Etteilla Wines. For good reason, many call him the Godfather of California Natural Wine. We’re thrilled to welcome Tony back to the shop for a winemaker tasting!

Featuring:
Pét-Nat Cider 2022
Albarello 2021
Estate Zinfandel 2021

Sunday, April 16th, 1:00-4:00pm
Flight $16
Wine Club Members get 20% off tastings.

During the tasting, we're hosting a food pop-up from Bites by Jane! Jane Bragen is a local chef focused on creating delicious experiences with the best of what the Bay Area has to offer. Her fun, approachable, and nostalgic bites act as "gateways to the divine," encouraging friends and loved ones to gather over good food and conversation.

Some of our favorite winemakers are headed this way, thanks to upcoming natural wine fairs in the East Bay … so we invited them to pour their new releases at minimo! Oest Wines and Ellsworth Wines represent the close-knit community of natural winemakers in North Yuba. Oest is a project by Tahnee Shields and Brad Artziniega, who source fruit in the unique terrains of the Sierra Foothills. Behind Ellsworth you’ll find Bryn and Jeffrey, who farm a small home vineyard in Penn Valley plus other nearby parcels in exchange for fruit. Friends who are bound together by their love of the Sierra Foothills, they all make unique wines with a profound sense of place.

During the tasting, we're hosting a pop-up from Bites by Jane! Jane Bragen is a local chef focused on creating delicious experiences with the best of what the Bay Area has to offer. Her fun, approachable, and nostalgic bites act as "gateways to the divine," encouraging friends and loved ones to gather over good food and conversation.

Friday, March 31st, 5:00-7:00pm
Flight of 4 wines $16
Wine Club Members get 20% off tastings.

Keep the weekend going! Catch Oest at ‘By the Way - A Natty Wine Fair’ at Purity Wine in Richmond on Saturday, April 1st, and Ellsworth at ‘Wine from Here: A Natural Wine Fair’ at Subject to Change in Richmond on Sunday, April 2nd.

Anne Disabato and Noelle Vandendriessche of Etteilla Wines apprenticed with natural wine legend Tony Coturri, and produced their first vintage at his winery in Sonoma. They’re now making zero-zero wines and ciders (apple-grape co-ferments, to be exact), sourcing fruit from heritage vineyards and sites in Northern California. We’ve been fans since their first vintage, and are excited to have them pouring brand new releases at minimo!

Featuring:
Le Chaos White Pét-Nat
Le Chaos Red Pét-Nat
Deabru 2021

Thursday, February 2nd, 5:00-7:00pm
Flight of 3 wines $15
Wine Club Members get 20% off tastings.

21+ only

Join us for an afternoon with the 280 Project and wine writer, Sydney Love, to celebrate the release of Alta Journal’s fall issue.

Founded by Christopher Renfro and Jannea Tschirch, the 280 Project seeks to reclaim San Francisco’s landscape and break down barriers in the wine industry, by creating a safe environment for BIPOC to learn about viticulture. “A Vineyard in San Francisco’s Black Belt,” written by Sydney Love, recounts how this ground-breaking nonprofit came to be.

Enjoy a flight of 3 wines by BIPOC winemakers for $15. There will be a limited number of the Alta Journal print issue for purchase. 100% of magazine proceeds will go toward the 280 Project, as well as a portion of proceeds from the flight!

Sunday, November 13th, 12-3 PM

21+ only

We’re celebrating 7 years!! Join us for a day of extra-special wines by the glass, plus Italian snacks from our favorites Alimentari Aurora and Love & Garlic. We’ll pour a rotating selection of ultra-limited wines that we’ve been saving up all year just for this occasion! We only have a few bottles of each, so the list will change throughout the day. Lots of unicorns and gems!

Saturday, November 5th, 12-7pm

$30 per person -- includes 2 drink tickets and snacks.
Extra drink tickets will be available for purchase.
Retail shop will be open 12-8pm as usual.

21+ only
No reservations. Just walk in!

Lindsey Otis grew up in Santa Cruz and from a young age was drawn to winemaking-- experimenting with growing neighborhood grapevine cuttings and making apple cider in her closet. She eventually went to study Viticulture and Enology at UC Davis, spent time in France, New Zealand, and Australia, and most recently worked at Big Basin Vineyards in the Santa Cruz Mountains. Lindsey launched her own label LOTIS a few years ago, and we’ve been impressed with her wines from the start. In fact, we put her debut Vermentino in our wine club. Come taste her new Fall releases–they’re all fabulous and very limited!

Featuring:
Vermentino, Las Brisas Vineyard, Carneros 2021
Rose of Grenache, Eagle Point Ranch, Mendocino 2021
Grenache, Provisor Vineyard, Dry Creek Valley 2021

Wednesday, October 26th, 5:00-7:00pm
Flight of 3 wines $15
Wine Club Members get 20% off tastings.

21+ only

Terah Bajjalieh grew up in the Bay Area, but discovered her love for food & wine through travels abroad. She earned a master’s degree in Enology and Viticulture from Montpellier Supagro in France, is a Certified Sommelier, and has worked 13 harvests covering five countries. She launched her own label, Terah Wine Co., in 2020, making small-production natural wines that showcase unique vineyard sites and varieties. On Wednesday, come taste her new Fall releases–they’re all fabulous and very limited!

Featuring:
Old Vine Muscat (skin contact), Enz Vineyard 2021
Pinot Gris ‘Ramato’ (skin contact), Bassi Vineyard 2021
Barbera, Shake Ridge Vineyard 2021

Wednesday, October 19th, 5:00-7:00pm
Flight of 3 wines $15
Wine Club Members get 20% off tastings.

21+ only

Put Emily Fernwood on your radar! Emily’s an up-and-coming Bay Area natural winemaker who launched her own label, Osa Major, in 2020 after working harvest gigs all over the world. She aims to explore a lighter, brighter side of California winemaking, working with growers in lesser known regions who have a deep commitment to their vineyards. We’ve been fans of Emily’s wines from the beginning, and we’re excited to welcome her to the shop for a tasting of new releases!

Featuring:

Sémillon ‘Gold In The Hills’ Sierra Foothills 2021

Tempranillo Rosado Clements Hills 2021

Carignan Old Vine Lodi 2020

Thursday, August 11th, 5-7pm

Flight of 3 wines $15

Wine Club Members get 20% off tastings.

*Proof of full vaccination required*

21+ only